In this episode Peter talks to Michael Pugh, Mark Graham and Roger Linney from Zespri – a BRM team from New Zealand. We discuss how the conference has made BRM come to life for them, cultural differences between North America and New Zealand, impactful presenters, small IT organizations that are mainly outsourced, international challenges, the strategic partnering playbook and of course New Zealand as a travel destination. This episode was recorded at the BRM Connect conference in San Diego in October 2018. We would like to thank the BRM Institute for the opportunity to record the podcast at the BRMConnect events.